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I bought a new laptop with Windows 7 64.  I do network support, software development, and web development.  I normally just install what I need because none of the WAMPs made sense in the past, but decided to look again.  I found a comparison chart on Wikipedia and there was only one that had any potential, and that is AMPPS.  It looks like it is kept up, and someone working on it who is smart enough to recognize a development environment needs to have both PHP 5.2 and 5.3/6.0. 

I’ve been checking it out, and shocked that this might actually work for me.  However, I’m not clear as to what the focus of this product is.  I read about free, and see PHP plug-ins available, then Premium, wants to know if I’m running on a VPS, and DirectAdmin, which we run on our production servers which has nothing to do with Windows, and then I wonder if using the plug-ins while development is part of the plan, and the questions about VPS etc. are related to using the Softaculous on a production server, without the WAMP, and users use the Softaculous like they use Fatastico is on cPanel?  What is this producct's intended purpose and business model?
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Hi,

Softaculous is meant for the hosting industry as it integrates into many hosting control panels.

AMPPS is a free WAMP Stack which is meant for developers, internal office usage and local web servers. Its a very good replacement for XAMPP & WAMP Server.
The scripts can be used for development purposes, internal offices, etc like you might want to have a MediaWiki for your own office.


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Softaculous is meant for the hosting industry as it integrates into many hosting control panels.
Got it!  Pay them $x a year to maintain the scripts and updates for customers to use.  I knew about Fantastico and Installatron but not Softaculous.  I currently haven't given customers anything on the server.  I've been thinking about Installatron because it's the only one that I knew of that works with DirectAdmin, but after seeing the intelligent design choices in AMPPS, I'll be starting with Softaclous.


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AMPPS is a free WAMP Stack which is meant for developers, internal office usage and local web servers. Its a very good replacement for XAMPP & WAMP Server.  The scripts can be used for development purposes, internal offices, etc like you might want to have a MediaWiki for your own office.
Got it!  This makes a ton of sense now.  I've set it up temporarily in a VM where I can revert with snapshots so I don't have to be concerned with hurting anything.  It organizes all of the programs together like I do already and does the same tricks with software versions that I do.  It doesn't look like it does crazy things with the configs other than the documented reserved areas.

I hope to play with it some more today, and add some VHosts.  Before I go with it, I need to understand enough about how it works to be able to change configs and fix things when needed.  If I can do that, I see no reason not to go with it.  It's like having a mini-control panel for development.



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Experiences so far:
- It surprised me to see AMPPS using the same web server as the apps.  If you make a problem with a config you cannot undo it.
- Surprised me when I added a domain, it didn't create the directory and put in a cgi-bin directory and starter index file.
- I it maintains the vhosts file, but I don't see any :442 entries in VHosts.
- Something is fishy about VHosts that I haven't tracked down yet.  It
only shows the first domain.  The second domain typed in  browser shows
the domain.
- It doesn't maintain the HOST file. 
- Paths to PHP and Perl are not set up.
- PerlInfo throws a 404.  I don't think Perl is integrated.  Perl is not working.
- I tried a script on a site and it went in perfectly.

The most time-consuming part is the configging, which I thought that would be done, but it seems it's only enough to get Apache, PHP, and MySQL to work together.  If there are some instructions somewhere that lists the steps of what to do next to get the rest working like it should, I haven't found them yet.  I do like the way it so easily installs apps.  Maybe I'll get some time to work with it tomorrow to see if I want to keep going with this or just do it manually.

Thanks!
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tidus
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Hi,

Let me tell you first AMPPS is not like Production Control Panel like Plesk. It is a simple WAMP Stack for developers with Softaculous to install open source scripts easily.

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It surprised me to see AMPPS using the same web server as the apps.  If you make a problem with a config you cannot undo it.
You can Restore Default Configuration provided by AMPPS. AMPPS Application -> Apache Tab -> Restore Default Configuration

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Surprised me when I added a domain, it didn't create the directory and put in a cgi-bin directory and starter index file.
Sir, this function should work. You must have parked a Domain to existing domain. If not Please open a ticket, we will surely look into this and solve this as soon as possible.

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I it maintains the vhosts file, but I don't see any :442 entries in VHosts.
If you are talking about SSL support i.e :443 entries we are not yet providing this feature.

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Something is fishy about VHosts that I haven't tracked down yet.  It
only shows the first domain.  The second domain typed in  browser shows
the domain.
I am not able to get this. I guess this will be solved with Domain problem.

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It doesn't maintain the HOST file.
If you are talking about Windows host file, we haven't added this feature as it is risky to play with host file.

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- Paths to PHP and Perl are not set up.
- PerlInfo throws a 404.  I don't think Perl is integrated.  Perl is not working.
- I tried a script on a site and it went in perfectly.
Since you are able to access Enduser Panel and install apps, your PHP looks fine. We will look into PERL path.

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If there are some instructions somewhere that lists the steps of what to do next to get the rest working like it should, I haven't found them yet.
You can get more info from our Wiki.

Thanks for using AMPPS.

Please open a ticket so that we can look into the issues you are facing.


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Let me tell you first AMPPS is not like Production Control Panel like Plesk. It is a simple WAMP Stack for developers with Softaculous to install open source scripts easily.
I've been setting up my own development area manually for the past 15 years, and work with all the control panels.  For AMPPS, I'm still establishing a point of reference as to what it does, and what I need to do.  To your credit, it looks like a control panel.

I followed the WiKi, but it does not address what AMPPS does, and what the developer still needs to do after setting up a new domain.  From investigation I learned that AMPPS does the vhost entries.  I assumed that since OpenSSL was in, that it was configured, and I should see :442s in the vhosts, and an entry in hosts.

It’s worth noting that the install will not work the first time around with the firewall on.  When the firewall message pops up to allow the apps to use the ports, it's too late.  The install has already failed.  It works first time, every time if you turn off the firewall before you start, and after the install turn the firewall on and then approve the access.

I didn’t park any domains.  This is most likely a rights issue.  The nice thing about installing in Program Files is the default Windows security offers protection.  (Vista Ultimate 32 patched to the latest from MS and I Windows 7 is the same.)  That same protection becomes a problem for writes.  The way I handle that now is by using includes and placing the configs and sites at www\configs and www\vhosts.  This allows me to maintain the Windows default security in Program Files and User, and do what is necessary in www.  The most immediate course of action for me would be to try an install of AMPPS off root.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I gather the backup functionality is designed to only back up the subdirectory that contains a scripted install of software performed by Softaculous, and the data from any database(s) that were created by the script.  To summarize, what these backups contain is that subdirectory and any new and changed files, and the data structures along with the most  current data..

I like the ability to change PHP versions, the demos, and use Softaculous.  In the event I decide to stick with my own environment, is there an easy way for me to still use Softaculous?

You've been a huge help in clarifying what AMPPS does and what I would need to do, to use it.  The reason that I have not burdened you with a ticket yet is I need to determine first if this is a path I should pursue.

Thanks Tons!

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Hi Sir,

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I've been setting up my own development area manually for the past 15 years, and work with all the control panels.  For AMPPS, I'm still establishing a point of reference as to what it does, and what I need to do.  To your credit, it looks like a control panel.
Thanks, if it looks like a Panel then it is only for local development.


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I followed the WiKi, but it does not address what AMPPS does, and what the developer still needs to do after setting up a new domain.
Domains here are only the computer name or IP addresses of the computers on local network. Here is an example what domains can do on local network.

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From investigation I learned that AMPPS does the vhost entries.  I assumed that since OpenSSL was in, that it was configured, and I should see :442s in the vhosts, and an entry in hosts.
We will be adding many features in this package. This might also be the one.


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It’s worth noting that the install will not work the first time around with the firewall on.  When the firewall message pops up to allow the apps to use the ports, it's too late.  The install has already failed.  It works first time, every time if you turn off the firewall before you start, and after the install turn the firewall on and then approve the access.
Sir we couldn't replicate this issue.


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I didn’t park any domains.  This is most likely a rights issue.  The nice thing about installing in Program Files is the default Windows security offers protection.  (Vista Ultimate 32 patched to the latest from MS and I Windows 7 is the same.)  That same protection becomes a problem for writes.  The way I handle that now is by using includes and placing the configs and sites at www\configs and www\vhosts.  This allows me to maintain the Windows default security in Program Files and User, and do what is necessary in www.  The most immediate course of action for me would be to try an install of AMPPS off root.
Did you install the software as Administrator ? Also access it as an Administrator.


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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I gather the backup functionality is designed to only back up the subdirectory that contains a scripted install of software performed by Softaculous, and the data from any database(s) that were created by the script.  To summarize, what these backups contain is that subdirectory and any new and changed files, and the data structures along with the most  current data..
Yes, you are right.


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